Curse

dustbunny · Nov 26, 2007, 07:30 PM // 19:30

So it says the seed for the pseudo random number generator for loot distribution and determination is determined at the moment you enter? Interesting. If you have two people with the same seed, the loot for the entire zone will follow exactly the same pattern?

Skinny Corpse · Nov 26, 2007, 07:48 PM // 19:48

That's the reason why we saved so many screenies of the loot, trying
figure out if there was a "prime time" for good drops at any point of the day.. but so far I've
found no patterns.. maybe I'm just thinking too much.

I'll try to add more details on my post of the next run, dropping both loots
side by side etc.

Dustbunny - Yes, I believe that's how it works. But it's kinda tricky to
enter a zone at the exact same time tho due to latancy, ISP and so on.

Qdq Swi · Nov 26, 2007, 08:13 PM // 20:13

1 word... Woah... Could I do one run with one of u guys at the same time? I never get drops like that from Farhanur >_>... Maybe I'l proove nothing but dam.. u got loads of lockpicks in just one run =). Btw.. try 330hp rit, see if the drops vary even more from soj monk and sv necro. If your theory is correct... which I do hope it is.. Anet will probably do something dumb and completely change the system. However... a Computer's version of 'Random' isnt exactly... 'Random' it could just be a lucky chance where you get similar drops. Do several...

Cobalt · Nov 26, 2007, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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Yes, even the stats matched.

Now, there are some slight differences in the loot and the explaination is
probably that we didn't enter the area at entirely the same moment, it's a very small margine of error..

But, the conclusion we came to is simply that the loot is determined when you enter the area.. not by the way you kill the foes.

On side note, we even hade the exact same chest spawn and loot from it.

This is actually the second time we manage to do this, but I screwed up the screenshot on the first run..

If true then Anet would have say eight different loot packages for an area and the only luck is which of the eight packages you get when you enter.

This might explain the pattern I have noticed when doing eight man runs in the same areas over and over where two of the eight will always get the majority of good loot as it was made to be that way.

Two get most of the good loot, three get medium number of good loot drops and three get crap. However seeing the two getting all the good loot leaves the ones that got ok stuff and the ones that got crap with hope that they can to so they do it again and again.

If this is the case then we are but mice being baited.

Skinny Corpse · Nov 26, 2007, 08:39 PM // 20:39

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Originally Posted by Qdq Swi

1 word... Woah... Could I do one run with one of u guys at the same time? I never get drops like that from Farhanur >_>... Maybe I'l proove nothing but dam.. u got loads of lockpicks in just one run =). Btw.. try 330hp rit, see if the drops vary even more from soj monk and sv necro. If your theory is correct... which I do hope it is.. Anet will probably do something dumb and completely change the system. However... a Computer's version of 'Random' isnt exactly... 'Random' it could just be a lucky chance where you get similar drops. Do several...

Will do! I just figured out the 330hp rit-build so I'll surely do some comparing
with the rit too.
As for the loot goes, this was a really good run, not all of them look like this.. some are just pure white trash.

IslandHermet · Nov 26, 2007, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

...How come always other people get 3-4 golds per run and I get only 1-2 golds? What's the terrible secret?!

I feel for you when I farm this area I get 0-0 golds a run LOL good drops odds LOL.
Did a test destroyers at glints challenge
will have to post screenies later
Went in and took both the left and right side mobs down to a little under 25% health. killed right side all at 1 time with alchemers acid. than killed the left side the same way all droped at same time.
loot yealed around 79 gold total, 1 destroyer core and a non max white long sword.
did this around 10 times the same way each time and each time the drops were 50-90 gold, 1 core, and 1-2 white items.
did 10 more runs only this time killing 1 by 1
loot was 50-90 gold, 3-7 cores, and a boatload of whites and a few blues.

thedeadlyassassin · Nov 26, 2007, 08:54 PM // 20:54

Very interesting, however, we of course can't judge this by 1 pair of results. Try new farming areas, maybe do about 5 on each character in the same area. Sure it'd take time, but that's what you need in experimenting things.

Nimrod EX · Nov 26, 2007, 09:11 PM // 21:11

omg...i love you

and on a slightly more off-topic subject:

how long does it usually take to complete this run...and where exactly if fahranur?

niek2004 · Nov 26, 2007, 09:37 PM // 21:37

From what i have seen i think its a fake. What if first you do this run with your necro. You drop the loot *screen*. Pick it up and you zone back to the outpost. Load the stuff on the monk. Go to the same place. Drop it take 2nd screenshot and now u ID it and drop it again *screen*. Zone back load on necro and go back for the final screenshot. OR the second run with the monk AND necro becouse there you cant see the party member screen! ofcourse this might be tru. so i tryd to do this with my own brother aswell. we did the same run at the same time with the same builds. Different drops! we also tryd the sinfarm in cantha i got gold split chackrems he got stilletos and 2 golden garbs.

My conclusion: this is fake, the system doesnt work like this.

novawhiz · Nov 26, 2007, 09:41 PM // 21:41

So were u in the same party or seperate parties?

If u were in same party did each monster drop 2 items or something?

Imori Akari · Nov 26, 2007, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by niek2004

From what i have seen i think its a fake. What if first you do this run with your necro. You drop the loot *screen*. Pick it up and you zone back to the outpost. Load the stuff on the monk. Go to the same place. Drop it take 2nd screenshot and now u ID it and drop it again *screen*. Zone back load on necro and go back for the final screenshot. OR the second run with the monk AND necro becouse there you cant see the party member screen! ofcourse this might be tru. so i tryd to do this with my own brother aswell. we did the same run at the same time with the same builds. Different drops! we also tryd the sinfarm in cantha i got gold split chackrems he got stilletos and 2 golden garbs.

My conclusion: this is fake, the system doesnt work like this.

^^^

This is a perfect example of a random, pointless, and completely unneeded post.

Now for me, first off, thanks for doing all this work in testing this. Like others before have said, do it a few more times and see if your onto something.

Also, nice job on ignoring the idiots who point there finger and yell "FAKE!!" cause of this.

Great research, looking forward to seeing more.

MercenaryKnight · Nov 26, 2007, 09:53 PM // 21:53

It has already been proven just like the snowmen dungeon. If you kill all of them at the same time (sf eles) they drop less than if you kill them one at a time. It is probably the game's problem with how fast things die and how fast it can spawn items? Or it's just anet's way of giving the harder working (slow process) more drops? Either way it should hopefully be changed for gws 2. We shouldn't get punished for killing things faster.

Keithark · Nov 26, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58

I think the time of day/people in an area matters..when NF first came out I farmed bosses on Marga for greens. 4am - 630am I got lots of drops but then when I came home after work and farmed them when everyone in US was on I didn't get any. I actually started getting up every day early to play and not playing much at night but looking back on it maybe I should have just changed servers and played at night ... DOH!!!!!

Skinny Corpse · Nov 26, 2007, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by niek2004

From what i have seen i think its a fake. What if first you do this run with your necro. You drop the loot *screen*. Pick it up and you zone back to the outpost. Load the stuff on the monk. Go to the same place. Drop it take 2nd screenshot and now u ID it and drop it again *screen*. Zone back load on necro and go back for the final screenshot. OR the second run with the monk AND necro becouse there you cant see the party member screen! ofcourse this might be tru. so i tryd to do this with my own brother aswell. we did the same run at the same time with the same builds. Different drops! we also tryd the sinfarm in cantha i got gold split chackrems he got stilletos and 2 golden garbs.

My conclusion: this is fake, the system doesnt work like this.

We will take better screenshot of our next run, showing both loots in the same picture, just too show we're not faking anything.
And as I've said in previous post; I've nothing to gain by making something like this up.

Skinny Corpse · Nov 26, 2007, 10:01 PM // 22:01

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Originally Posted by novawhiz

So were u in the same party or seperate parties?

If u were in same party did each monster drop 2 items or something?

We both went solo into the same area at the exact same time.
My apologiez if my explaination were a bit fuzzy

Bull Dogg · Nov 26, 2007, 10:28 PM // 22:28

on you next run i want see your party list to make sure you guys are going solo but i belive you!

Skinny Corpse · Nov 26, 2007, 10:36 PM // 22:36

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Originally Posted by Bull Dogg

on you next run i want see your party list to make sure you guys are going solo but i belive you!

Will do! The only reason why I closed it was to make a nice, clean picture.

But I get your point, for sure, and will leave it shown the next time.

afya · Nov 26, 2007, 10:46 PM // 22:46

Noble price of discovery in GW!
I believe you and waiting to see more in-depth experiment

monstersparkler · Nov 26, 2007, 10:49 PM // 22:49

Or you could just make a video.

phawk · Nov 26, 2007, 11:04 PM // 23:04

I can understand everybody's scepticism.. It was indeed a confusing discovery. As with all scientific research, no conclusions are valid if the result can not be replicated. As Skinny mentioned this was the second time we got the same result so I'm certain we will be able to do it again. All it takes is a little time and patience.

As I was there, I know it's definitely not fake and tomorrow we will hopefully get the result to prove it once and for all

Stay tuned...